Or preferring the KJV? But I still think that every Christian should spend some time in an IFB church. We believe that the Scriptures are inerrant, infallible, and God-breathed. 1. Assemble Anywhere KJV Churches A strong percentage of our funding comes through several hundred local churches who support From my perspective turning people away from the IFB is turning them towards God. We ARE the church my friend! Jesus saved by dying on the cross in my husbands place. We cant save people, only God can. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. We teach that baptism is necessary for salvation as I get this quote from the King James Version from John 3:5; Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. On the Arminianist view the church I go to now teaches from a biblical standpoint that salvation can still be lost. Thank God for grace! Growing up in a very conservative IFB church, I can personally attest to how accurate most of these were. I didnt condemn other version by saying Kjv is inspired. 4 How can you think of saying to your friend, Let me help you get rid of that speck in your eye, when you cant see past the log in your own eye? Pastor Wilkerson was the one and ONLY pastor who allowed me to work passionately in what ever church ministry I chosen. Jesus will save you if you believe in your heart that he was raised from the dead and admit out loud that Jesus is your lord. 46. I do not know if laugh or cry , almost 30 yrs involved in this , Im still a Christian , I serve in my church , Ive learned more since I left the movement , I am happier more devoted Christian than when I was manipulated to go out soulwinning , bus driving ,Sunday school teaching etc. You can read some of them in the comments section and in the testimonial section here: https://baptistdeception.com/testimonials/. Secular music other than old time gospel hymns is sin I dont see anything wrong with rock & roll, oldies music, and country music though it has gotten worse these days than it was years ago but the music I hate the most are hip hop, heavy metal generally, and especially RAP music which my brother likes. I like that about them and not just them but the whole church, because the company you keep will influence you. There are some things that the IFB does very well, such as fellowship. I dare say probably not. to show me the folly of my performance-based religion. Of course these cultural attachments border on the cultic, no doubt are legalistic, and hopefully will disappear eventually as the old guard depart their bondage in this life for Glory! The churches that teach certain things unrelated to scripture, are a result of what the Bible calls IN THE LAST DAYS. In the last days, people will leave their first love, just as you have left YOUR first love, probably because of a pastor, an arrogant church member, or maybe because of your very own relationship with God, a relationship that is lacking. What We Believe - Fundamentalist Baptist Church 32. 31 But in saying that, you testify against yourselves that you are indeed the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. That was an extensive list, and sooooo true! I dont agree with this because there is nothing wrong with going to college. I had a free apartment, food stamps, government phone, and a $60.. utility check every month. The Bible gives qualifications for each office. I prefer Kjv! I dont know what Daves intentions were. Yes but this is my concern about the IFB beliefs and I understand this was written to make it funny. I must say, I was hoping the list would be more interesting but the fact mixed into the exaggeration of each point was mostly so true it seemed a bit pointless! 40. I am pretty conservative, but find some of this stuff outright ridiculous! The Lord is doing His work in ths world through local churches. You dont just GO WITH THE FLOW. For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: But what He hates about us is the pride and arrogance in us. If you believe that using guitars in church is too liberal, yet you listen to patch the pirate who uses guitars, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 14. I was told that I could not work in one of my passionate ministries, infant, toddler, and 3-4 year olds because of something I did in my past 14 years ago and pastor told me I have to prove myself first. I like door knocking is any of our church compelled to do so? I grew up in a baptist church and went elsewhere after college and I am learning how liberal other churches are and anything goes as long as the people are happy. Mental health issues are just another health issue people have. I can not forgive sins! Anyway, Im sorry that you had a bad experience at an IFB church, but that doesnt excuse you for mocking Biblical beliefs. If you think that the title Pastor is a synonym for the Man of God or the voice of God, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 27 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. If your child is behaving like a child but you think they are rebellious, misbehaving, mischevious, etc. You can clap in church, we did that Mountain, the church I grew up though we didnt do it very often though. While God hates divorce, but we should help those who are divorce so they can grow spiritually. I understand that its hard to convey emotions when typing, but the above list does not have the feel that it was done with a spirit of love but one of condemnation. Clearly only one unforgivable sin is mentioned in the Bible (KJV even) and that isnt it. WebHeartland Baptist Bible College is unique. So the IFB pastor did counseling for 2 weeks and then, despite physical abuse, told you to get married! Many of these are down right untruthful . Are these points form the KJV Bible or is it carved from the principles from scriptures. This is simply an attempt to bring some humor to the blog for the readers enjoyment. Even when the family goes on vacation, we go to church. Hypocrites! 7 You hypocrites! There isn't much out there on the web. 4. This list reminded me of a few I forgot about, but one I dont think youve mentioned yet is If your teenage boys and girls have to be separate and swim in different pools or at different times when you are on a teen outing or camping trip lol. We are happily married today blessed with 2 more children. Is that what the great commission tells us to do: Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and send lost loved ones to an IFB church so that they might be saved (DHV Don Holt Version). If your church encouraged you to make your own decision about becoming baptized, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. WebBaptists reject the notion of baptism of people who do not know what is happening to them, such as children. The end of November we were going to break up because of physical abuse so instead sought counseling for our pastor and his wife. WebActs 15:36,41; 16:5; I Corinthians 16:1; Galatians 1:1-3; Revelation 1:4, 10, 11. If you believe that your health issue is the result of sin in your life, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 49. This is an assumption.. The New Testament church should be an independent church. You seem to enjoy copying and pasting scripture with no explanation or apparent relevance to the discussion so I thought Id give it a try also. It is the final authority on all matters of faith, practice, and polity. If you look down on people who are divorce That is absolutely wrong. I had no idea that I, as an IFB, might be guilty of these things. And as the word independent implies, we are not all alike. Baptist Satan's eternal end is everlasting torment in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:10). If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with the Lord with good performance You cant make up for sins nor can salvation be earned. I dont believe the IFB church I go to has ulterior motives, but I havent been to any other church to apply that to all IFB churches. That can get a little hairy, though, because you never know when youll end up at a more liberal churchlike yours! Romans 5:8 I received these because of lies that I was single with no income. Jesus does that. 25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it; 26 That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word. I, too, would never go back to many of the churches that I have been to, but if you search, you will find one that will cause you to grow in your faith and knowledge, and to change and to believe what God has said. We believe that God created the entire universe in six literal, twenty-four-hour days (Genesis 1:1-27). There are a couple places but, they're all pretty much much secular and worldly. Its concept of an ecclesiastical Kingdom is not supported by Scripture. In the past 25 years, Ive seen many children leave but very few come back. They are usually so full of themselves, because they went straight from salvation to knowledge, and Peter says to add to your faith virtue, and THEN go to knowledge, 2 Peter 1:5. No, because I have said and thought some things I regret. or any combination of the above isnt really saved because of that/those behavior(s), you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 52. Im not sure where your pastor got that from, but its not in the Bible. Independent Fundamental Baptist is NOT a denomination because they are Independent I am not Baptist but they are CLOSE to being a denomination because of their beliefs. We believe in the autonomy of the local church free of any external authority or control. [5], New IFB pastors have been the subjects of controversy on numerous occasions. They had made an idol out of church attendance. We had been boyfriend and girlfriend for 5 years and a baby that was 10 months old. Pastor dont preach on smoking unless he preaches on a list of things that destroy the body. If you had one opportunity to send a lost love one time to any church , which would it be ? WebIndependent Fundamental Baptist churches have fellowship one with the other and often cooperate in such endeavors as evangelism. New Independent Fundamentalist Baptist churches (also known as the New IFB) or officially the New Independent Fundamental Baptist Movement are an association of conservative, King James Only, independent Baptist churches. sad stuff particularly the responses from obviously brainwashed bible folks. For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthyfull of greed and self-indulgence! Its about Jesus. I do believe the requirements of a bishop and deacon is the husband of one wife.1 Timothy 3:2,12 we dont look down on divorced people. Smoking in itself is not sin but I do agree that smoking can cause teeth decay, lung cancer, breast cancer, etc. Refusing to eat at a restaurant because they serve alcohol Theres nothing wrong with eating at a restaurant you just cant order alcohol, thats all. The other thing is: Nowhere in the bible are we commanded to attend a regular CHURCH building and dress nice. 29 What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. The IFB Insidious Fundamental Baptist Church . God forgave me because Jesus Christ saved me. Everyone has sent in their life. 49. God speaks to individuals through His Word and His Spirit. Hes a different man today thanks to Gods grace in our life. Any ways God is good and can use any church to reach anyone it all depends on if you as an individual will receive his free gift of salvation, because God is that powerful. If you are really interested in finding out about my poor experiences with the IFB please read the website rather than make assumptions. Youre judgment of me by one blog post and its comments is typical IFB tactic. If you go to a church that sings/plays Just As I Am at the end of every service, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 21. Besides I dont understand why you shouldnt listen to Contemporary Christian music. And theyre most likely convinced that Donald Trumps election is really going to make their civil life better! Find a Church | IndependentBaptist.church The explosion caused property damage but no injuries or deaths. Wow! Those are my concerns about the 25 topics about the Independent Fundamental Baptist beliefs. Gods will was for me to forgive. In 1974 Kenneth Chrismans father passed away. I go to an IFB church and thought a few of your statements could be funny if in the right spirit, some not so much and others I found untrue altogether. I have scriptures on my walls that are from other versions. The New Independent Fundamental Baptist network, most prominently associated with anti-LGBTQ pastor Steven Anderson, appears to be in turmoil as infighting again erupts, this time between Anderson and fellow pastors in the network. Jack hyles was an adulterous heretic. If your pastor refuses to be called Reverend, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. (Acts 20:7, Hebrews 10:24-25). Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Even if you cant tithe now you can still serve in some way and later when you are able to improve your financial situation they will get your tithe. Constitution and Im truly sorry for those who were mistreated and sorry if bitterness is hurting you now. as a former IFB, I read this.mmmmmm, mixing truth with deceptionI wonder the author uses, the same tactics as the serpent in the garden??? Everyone has health issues. 54. WebAn independent, fundamental Baptist, local church oriented faith Mission serving Baptist and Bible churches in their missions outreaches and church planting around the world. Independent Fundamental Churches of America Pastor and his wife knew where we lived and probably wondered why, but they never asked or pried. It seems most on here have a issue with IFB churches. My mother doesnt wear fancy earrings. Jesus tells us in Matthew 7:1-5: Judge not, that ye be not judged. Did you read it? I came to get a few laughs but it sounds like you were really hurt by some church growing up. I did learn a lot. If you think that the other translations are too wordly that right there I dont like. 2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. The Lord's Supper, or Communion, commemorates Christ's broken body and shed blood giving each believer an opportunity for self-examination and rededication. Romans 5:8 is about salvation. Ill fight against the abusive traditions and teachings of the IFB till I die. Im so thankful for Gods grace on your life and the lives of your family. What is a Bible Baptist Church, and what do Bible Baptists believe. All I do is reply to comments. Hypocrites! If your eyes quickly scan down to see if a fellow female church member is wearing the acceptable skirt, dress or koulotts outside of church, and Heaven forbid shes wearing capris or pants!! 3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brothers eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Please read the rest of the website and my story rather than just judge me. The home, the church, and the state are equal and sovereign in their respective Biblically assigned spheres of responsibility under God. Praise the lord for forgiveness. If you think that more than one earring per ear for women is worldly, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 13. Me preferring the Kjv bible and believing its the inspired word of God is not incorrect. Thanks for reading! Yes, because he wants to spend a little time with his child. I am a pastor of a Baptist church, but rather than call myself INDEPENDENT, I call myself unaffiliated with the other Baptist Churches. 26 You blind Pharisee! What your pastor told you is a severe twisting of scripture (if he even used scripture). More insights from your Bible study - Get Started with Logos Bible Software for Free! I was taught that I needed to let God change him. Good point Steve! I dont believe they bought our loyalty, because we werent of any good investment. I would have rejected the advice if in my heart If didnt want the relationship anymore, but we had a kid and I needed it to work. Ive never been instructed their acting Rebellious or looked down on or had any concern for myself but they were rebellious. (Hello to all my fellow-tithers!!!) How about shortchanging the Lord out of 20 minutes of Sunday service time worship for game show gimmickry hype to boost attendance? My pastor and his wife sent evil. Scripture is Good! In fact, if you're single you know what I'm talking about. We as a couple decided to do things biblical. you DVR the Superbowl (or watch sport center on your phone in the vestibule) because you cant miss church. We had no money.. If we must consider these points as a point for consideration, these ought to be a source form the Bible. If you think that you can be a better Christian or have more favor with God with good performance, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 54. If you stay, Im almost certain youll end up regretting it. If you party, DO NOT drink. We are not affiliated with any man-made external organization be it a Convention, Association, Fellowship, or National Denomination. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Three words vacation bible school *shiver*. Saying that Baptism is not necessary for salvation but rather it is an obedience to Christ is a liberal view of baptism and is unbiblical. I found myself laughing at quite a few of these because they are things that I used to believe. 43. Pastor and his wife paid for reception, photographers, and and shower. This group is for fellowship, sharing of resources, devotional thoughts, posting of sermons, news of interest, ministry ideas, missionary/church links, KJV verse photos, and general edification. What your pastor told you is extremely dangerous and silly. Great job adding a bit of levity! 2Co 2:10 To whom ye forgive any thing, I forgive also: for if I forgave any thing, to whom I forgave it, for your sakes forgave I it in the person of Christ; You said we dont forgive people for their salvation we cant because we arent Jesus. We believe that men are justified by faith alone and are accounted righteous before God only through the merit of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. I dont even know what a Scofield Bible is but I believe God can use divorced people. 12. Told to leave them to the hog mire until they return to the father.. You had to wear a tie if you wanted to preach or preside over the Lords Supper. If your church funnels in inner city kids via a bus ministry, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 24. Thousands of people, including myself, beg to differ. Then, I can display my tolerance by making of list of things that I disagree with someone else about and make fun of them. Now, I am a 25 year old women with 3 children a 4, 2, and 7 month old and my Husband is 26. OK That list just brought back memories that I can thankfully laugh at now. Please dont mistake this for a lack of respect or an attempt to minimize the seriousness of the abuse that happens among the Independent Fundamental Bapitsts. Many Christians believe some of these distinctives, but true Baptists believe them all. I will have to argue that while on vacation we just go to church somewhere else rather than dashing home. Fannin was later ejected as the lead preacher of SBC-Jax. Freedom of choice demands personal responsibility. The key is that youre not suppose to JUST sit under the teaching/preaching of anyone without reading the Bible, seeking wisdom from God, and fellow shipping with people who are interested in drawing closer to God. when you run into her at Wal*Mart. The members were so sweet to us. Its my calling and my ministry. But I did want to let you know that although some ifb churches may not be the best it doesnt make us a cult. Some of these are very much right on the money. Welpjust commented for the sake of the few who posted comments and clearly are rowing the same boat as I! 30. For you cross land and sea to make one convert, and then you turn that person into twice the child of hell you yourselves are! anything that even remotely appears to be worldly means that you arent being separate, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 44. What an extensive list. We need no other human agent or spiritual mediator. Laws Looks like youve forgotten to include haircuts (length and style of hair). The school was run by Lester Roloff, an independent fundamental Baptist preacher who broke from the Southern Baptist Convention in 1954 and founded a series Independent Fundamental Baptists God cant forgive you if Jesus didnt save you. My church members are filled with sin and give account to God alone. The IFB ostracizes people when they leave. 5 Hypocrite! are the result of sin and poor choices, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist, 46. I must forgive others the same way God forgave me. 2. Most Americans dont understand that there are flavors of Baptist Christianity, everything from liberal to hardcore Fundamentalist. Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Please read https://baptistdeception.com/bitterness-deception/ for an answer to your bitterness accusation/assumption. I was taught that. For you are like whitewashed tombsbeautiful on the outside but filled on the inside with dead peoples bones and all sorts of impurity. Those myths are addressed in my article: https://baptistdeception.com/tithing/, I dont need to wait. Ive known many people whom God has reached using the IFB. I do agree that any time when you have health issues its because of sin which is why God allows pain and suffering. If you first came to church because Brother Dave or Brother Mike knocked on your door and invited you, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. (Ephesians 2:8-10; John 1:12; I Peter 1:18-19). If you think anything what the churches teach about salvation is easy believing this is not true in our congregation. Praise the lord for giving it to us. This church is affiliated with the Minnesota Baptist Conference and the Baptist General Conference, and may likewise cooperate with interdenominational fellowships on a voluntary independent basis. We went to th IFB church that next day to say we went to get them off our back. Jesus says that if you love Him, that you will keep His words.. If you consider it worldly and almost frightening if someone brings a different version of the Bible to church, and wonder what your Pastor would say if he knew, you might be an Independent Fundamental Baptist. 15. These Independent Fundamental Baptists appear to be inconsistent, and so misguided. 35. Many on here were saved at a IFB church. 41. You are quick to throw in a jab about how much you dislike them, but cannot tolerate anyone saying different.
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