(Jim Lowe), OK I was gonna take offense to that statement..........then I saw the word average! The rods get stiffer as you approach the grip. My friend and bamboo guru, rodmaker Syd Smith, let me cast his version of the Payne 201 just last week. They are mostly over .003/inch. If anyone who cast it last year wants to weigh in here, have at it. By RBF Staff, May 23, 2009 in RodBuildingForum.com Recent Topics. A faster rod that is easier cast by those used to graphite. If so, is the 204L the dry fly and the 204H the nymph rod? P100 (Payne 100) 7 1/2 Foot, 4 Weight, 2 Piece, 2 Tips. 60 - .238 35 - .180 (Hal Bacon). For some reason all of the 100Hs I have ever seen that were marked on the tag were from the late 1940s. Rod Name Payne Canadian Canoe This taper was very popular at last year's CRR. The original has stepped ferrules, so I used CSE stepped ferrules. Shawn posted it to the list../2001. 67 .246 80 - .296 (begin swell) I Measured three flats and averaged them, then took .006 off for varnish. by Catskill » 03/30/10 12:20, Post I had it listed as a 200 but that is probably wrong. That said, I am not a fast rod fanatic, I just enjoy great tapers. And like the Young tapers, there is more than one taper for the Payne 101. You can't go wrong with either taper. It casts well enough that I wanted the taper. (Henry Mitchell). That is listed as a 8'6" 6 wt, so it is a likely candidate. 0 - .355 0 - .242 0 - .158 Sold by Abercrombie and Fitch. (Neil Savage), I cast a couple of Payne 101's at Super Boo 2 in Maine, nice rod, 7.5' 5 wt. I buy that, I'd initially put that .229 at 65. A couple of years ago I thought I might build the ultimate 7'9" parabolic 5wt by blending the Payne and the Para-14 until I looked at the stress curves. For sale here is a Payne Model 100H bamboo rod in excellent original condition. 20 .112 (Robert Kope), This is per Dennis Higham. If an internal link led you here, you may wish to change the link to point directly to the intended article. That also, is not parabolic. I've never seen one so I don't know if that's true. 90" = .350 The original that I took the taper from was made by Payne for Abercrombie & Fitch, NY. 40 0.167 0.084 Post This may explain why there are 4 Payne Paras in Rod DNA in the 7-8 ft 3-5 wt range . 56 3/4 Maximal zwei Rutenbauer sollen ein Modell bauen. 5 .085 (Gary Nicholson). Examples of what I’d provide, if someone asked me about Paul Young rods (those I’m most familiar with). 37 3/4 I have a grand total of 4, of which two look the same (79 and 214), the 79 has a butt swell. The 7'6" was not cataloged, I believe. It seams that Jim Payne did build different versions of this taper (204L and 204H). 0.175 Dipped: 4 coats butt , 4 coats mid, 3 coats tips. (Paul Julius). 34 .276 .184 .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004 Any opinions I have are personal preferences that are influenced by my casting style and the type of fishing I do. 5 - .078 74 5/8 (Stripper). 34 .276 .184 .072, Deduction for varnish 0.004 (Paul Gruver). I’m thinking about what to build for rod #4 and would like to build a Payne. The tip itself seems to have the stress curve of a parabolic rod and the butt is stronger. 30 - 257 30 - .1755 30 - .071 (Dennis Higham). The 100H is essentially a Payne 100 butt with a heavy (H) tip, somewhat faster tip. by fishbates » 03/30/10 09:00, Post 45 .193 (both 7'9",5wt's). ==Demografie== Bij de volkstelling in … I personally think the 100H is one of the nicest casting Paynes in any size. 45 3/8 I kindly request members of the list for some guidance on this matter. If so, why then are so many classic rods so seriously overdesigned? After some time gambling around with the taper I ended with a stress curve very similar to the Payne 204. 10 .090 35 .158 These two are in David Rays taper library and RodDNA. This because this I think it is better at protecting light tippets. ...but that's the same as the one in David Ray's Taper Library. 85 .322 DYMO LetraTag 100H Plus Handheld Label Maker for Office or Home. 30 0.143 0.072 To quote what Mike wrote on Clarks: "Rev. LOL. Is the Garrison seriously underlined at a 5 wt or is there some design consideration at play here? 46 Max Payne 3 HD Wallpapers and Background Images. (Jim Lowe), I've searched high & low for the Payne 201 8' 3 piece 5 wt. I have never had a buyer complain about this taper. Read honest and unbiased product reviews from our users. I call it "The Club". 35" = .192 But would like personal recommendations. Here are the measurements for the rod with the tip I used. 20 - .134 Is it possible to handle a streamer or a heavy nymph with this rod? I got this from Rob Hoffhines some years ago. I would agree without taking the 6 thou it's a 7wt but with 6 thou off it's got to be a 6wt. IT IS TWEAKED. Obviously, Steve and Mike measured 2 very different rods, but they both were marked, by Jim Payne himself, as 201's. I think the taper submitted by George Maurer might be like this with the number of compounds that show in the stress curve(not Dennis Higham's submission). 80 0.300 0.150 I have yet to try other lines so I might like it better with a different line. 6inch 5 wt. by crcaddis » 03/30/10 09:08, Post It was not indicated if he preserved the original wraps so we are representing this with new wraps. If I'm going to fish an 8' rod it will be a Dickerson 8014 Guide. What an experience as I caught the large brown that had ignored both of our offerings. The Streamer rods, the Bass Bug rod, the Circular Bend Trout rod, the Spinning rods, the Bonefish rods and the Parabolics. However, my taper was modified using RodDNA, and it is not consistent with having been derived from David Ray's using either controlled modification or stress values. Met onze taperoller sluit, wikkelt of bundelt u uw verpakkingsmateriaal snel en eenvoudig en zorgt u ervoor dat uw pakketten veilig worden verzonden. 35 0.155 0.078 1 .056 Whereas, I could not find/purchase/afford a 198 of that era, I called Hal Bacon, described the action, and he replicated the rod exactly as I later cast that one right next to my friend's early 198. It is considered one of the 10 best tapers of all time. Reed - As you can see there are a lot of tapers attributed to Payne's 201. I tried it with a Wulff TT #4 wt and I didn't like it at all it felt rather tip heavy, slow and not particularly powerful. There are 10 snakes plus the stripper. .340 to the end of the butt. The 101 is the fluid taper throughout without any loss of feel. What am I missing? a Garrison 209, the dims in the first 40” (which are possibly the most critical in terms of line weight definition) are consistently 0.010 or more thinner than the Garrison (2 line weights lighter if you go with Ray Gould’s rule of thumb and significantly lighter even if you don’t)! Can handle a bit more of a breeze but not too much. (Gary Nicholson), Payne Canadian Canoe 8.5 Ft 7 Wt (Joe Arguello), Looks to me as if Payne didn't make many Para's either that or I don't have them. 86 .3325 I'll choose the one I think fits me best. Just a couple of thoughts re: the Payne Parabolics. How does this work? Bamboo Tips - Tips Area 30 .146 (Steve Weiss). (Bill Walters), Payne 100 7.5 Ft 4 Wt 55" = .244 49.5" = .228 20 - .285 ` 20 - .202 20 - .111 PHY Perfectionist (Bill Walters) PHY Midge PHY Driggs River PHY Perfectionist PHY Para 15 PHY JJ Pezon & Michel Ritz Fario Club Hardy Tourney Payne 100H Dickerson 6611 Dickerson 7613 (Danny Twang) 2 piece – A nice med-fast action rod based on the 100H The typical all-around rod. for Oregon fishing). Followers 0. Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing which rod came first. 25" = .163 The Paynes are quite different from the the Young family of paras. This produces a rod with most of its action in the zone above the ferrule, the tip and butt being usually rather straight! 30 - .150 (Gary Nicholson), I cast a Payne Parabolic made by Rich Margiotta at a gathering last summer in Townsend, TN. I think I see the taper you mention in there. Note that I said essentially, as I am not a man of taper numbers but of feel. These are my own opinions. 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